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[cosmodelia]

Dada la polémica y curiosidad que ha levantado este nuevo sitio de Cyan, y dado que pensamos que irá en aumento, abrimos como topic independiente el DRC site: To D'ni

cosmodelia

Publicado: Mayo 30 2002,21:33    

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la página de D'ni Recontruction Council www.drcsite.org que nos dado coolwind es alucinante...
resulta que dicen que en 1990 un tal Dr. Watson descubrió Dni y lo están reconstruyendo!!!

les delata que es un juego o una broma los pésimos gráficos, claramente digitales...
quizas sacados de otros juegos cyan [fijaros en el tiíllo que se ve en uno de ellos]

que pensais?

pues en la lista en inglés hay bastante gente que se lo ha tomado en serio y hasta se han ofrecido de voluntarios para ir a reconstruir Dni!!!  

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CoolWind
Publicado: Mayo 31 2002,18:44

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Bueno, el DRC Site pretende ser un punto de inicio para los exploradores que jugarán a Myst OnLine, por lo que no veo tan mal imaginarse que es real... Por qué os alarma tanto ?

Todo el mundo sabe que es una fantasía (o no ), pero por qué no dejar que la gente se lleve dejar por su imaginación ? Es una vía de escape muy buena para salir de la rutina diaria, no ?

Y en lo de los gráficos... en realidad importa mucho ? Por ejemplo, pensáis que los fans de Star Wars lo seguirían siendo si en las películas no hubiera tantos efectos especiales ? Yo creo que si, ya que lo que importa es querer dejarse llevar por la historia y... si además está adornada, pues mejor. Yo lo veo así.  

Edited by CoolWind on May 31 2002,18:46

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cosmodelia

Publicado: Junio 01 2002,16:25    

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Hombre, coolwind, no es que nos preocupe, sencillamente nos gustaba más cuanto toda esta historia nos la presentaban como fantasía que como realidad.

Quizás en principio nos desagrada porque nos recuerda a tantas historias "new age" que se aprovechan de la credulidad de la gente, aunque como dices puede que todo sea una "preparación" o "calentamiento" para nuevos juegos. Esta perspectiva nos gustaría más: una ficción colectiva, en la que los participantes ASUMIMOS que D'ni es real para poder jugar, pero ya está...

Y bueno, ya que juegan, y jugamos con ellos, pues nos gustaría leer un relato más detallado de como ese tal Dr. Watson redescubrió Dni, sus planes de reconstrucción, etc.

Les daría para otra novela[Myst IV]...o para iniciar la historia del Myst Online...

Hay una teoría posible que explica todo esto, y es que partiendo de tu afirmación de que el DRC site es la preparación de Myst Online, sea a través de esa página web como se comunican los Beta Tester del juego [los "voluntarios a exploradores"].

Las "noticias" son noticias en clave sobre el desarrollo de preparación del juego, así si dicen que han terminado de reconstruir una sección de D'ni, es que han acabado de renderizarla, etc.

¿Qué os parece esta teoría?

[Leo'Ri]

Aquí va la traducción de (casi) todo el tópico, un poco reformatizado, y traducido en forma no literal, sino en el sentido de la cosa.

Saludos, Leo'Ri.




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Cosmodelia - Published May 30, 2002,21:33

The page of the D'ni Reconstruction Council, www.drcsite.org, that CoolWind did give us is amazing ... they say that on 1990 a certain Dr. Watson discovered D'ni and that they are rebuilding it!!!
The weak point is that the bad graphics, obviously digital, make clear that it is a game or a joke, may be taken out of other Cyan games (see the guy on one of them).
What do you think?
The point is that in the English list there are a lot of people that take it for true, and there are even volunteers offering to help to reconstruct D'ni!!!


CoolWind - Published: May 31, 2002,18:44

The DRC Site pretends to be a start point for the explorers that will play Myst Online, thus I don't see it wrong to imagine it to be real … Why are you that alarmed?
The whole world knows it to be fiction (or not?), but why not let the people to get carried away by their imagination? It's a good escape way to get out of the daily routine, isn't it?
And for the graphics ... does it actually matter? For instance, do you think that the Star Wars fans woud stay as such if the movies would have not that many special effects? I think yes, since the point is to get carried away by the story, and, if it is decorated, the better. That's how I see it.


Cosmodelia - June 01, 2002,16:25

Man, CoolWind, we are not worried, it's only that we liked it more as the whole story was presented as a fiction, and not as a reality.
May be, we don't like it because basically it reminds us that many "new age" stories, that make use of the credibility of the people, although it may well be, as you say, that all is only a "preparation" or "warming up" for new games. We would like more this outlook: a collective fiction, where the participants ASSUME that D'ni is real in order to be able to play, but not more…
Well, once they are playing, and we play with them, we would like to read a more detailed report on how that Dr. Watson rediscovered D'ni, his reconstruction planes, etc.
It would provide for another novel (Myst IV) ... or for starting the story for Myst Online ...
There is a possible theory explaining all this, and that is, based on your statement that the DRC site is the preparation of Myst Online, that it is through this website how the game's Beta Testers (the "volunteers to explorers") are in contact.
The "news" are encoded news on the game's preparation progress, thus, if they say they did finish to rebuild a D'ni section, they mean they did finish to renderize it, etc.
How do you like this theory?


Cosmodelia - Published June 02, 2002,10:34

Due to he controversy and curiosity raised by this new Cyan site, we open the DRC site now, as an independent topic: To D'ni

The above compiled and edited by CoolWind on May 31, 2002,18:46
-Webmaster of esD'ni-          coolwind@zapo.net


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Leo'Ri - Published: June 15, 2002,18:53

What's strange with it? There are many Mystaddicts that want more (satisfied by Riven) ... and more (thanks, Exile) ... y more (welcome, realMyst) ... and ever more.
If D'ni is being rebuilt, there happens only the same as with that many other XXXaddicts. There are clubs where the environment and customs are simulated: Darkover, the Hogwarts College, the caves and castles of the Middle Earth, or the life in the Far West, where the fans enjoy the pertaining way of life, sometimes over many days. To be true, if I would know that there is something within the reach of myself (or my car, or my pocket), I think I would enjoy to walk through Channelwood, or round Riven's Jungle Island Lake. Of course some details would have to be different, since I don't know how to make the "holes" in the water, and also the MagLevTram has to be modified, due to technical reasons. But, certainly, it would be interesting, if not fascinating. Or to collaborate on something alike?
By the by, that name "Dr. Watson" doesn't sound quite real to me, it rather remembers me the friend and helper of Sherlock Holmes ...


Cosmodelia - Published: June 03 15, 2002, 21: 08

We went on looking at the site, and the theory that it is a meeting point for Beta Testers seems to be confirmed.
If you read the messages with this in mind, all matches, the "rebuilding" is the renderization od the new D'ni sections.
At the other side, if you read some messages in the Forum, there are actually people believing it, although the immense majority participates on the game to assume D'ni to be real … it's something they ask for when registering …
We know it also since they did accept us as Explorers, and may be we get the opportunity to become Beta Testers, although we doubt it, since there are several hundreds before …
As you comment, it were fascinating, once the VR (Virtual Reality) becomes more developed, to buy or rent in a VR-club an Age, in order to live there the week-end, although, where would we eat? We would have to go out from time to time ...


Leo'Ri - Published: June 22, 2002,02:11

We did read some strange rumours (hoping they are only rumours) according them a certain Richard A. Watson, nicknamed also "RAWA" (his initials) or "Dr. Watson", is the main "historian" of the D'ni civilization. Well, that's necessary in order to give some consistency to the background story. But it seems that he did deny certain details of the games, as. e.g., the "Trap Books". He says that they do not exist, that they simply are not possible.
But for the successfull players of MYST, RIVEN and EXILE, Atrus is a friend, real in the game, and we did hear his explanation of how they work, and what a Trap Book is good for. We have seen, held in hand, and even used one of those peculiar Books, and thus we KNOW they EXIST.
If somebody, whatever his position in Cyan may be, denies such realities, then he is a simple lier, that distorts the History. It makes no sense to say that such Trap Books were only a "literary license" of Cyan, since we all know fairly well that Myst & Co. is a fiction full of "literary licenses". But inside of every fiction (game, novel, tale), there is a inamovible reality, and that is what the game player sees. All the different vehicles, features and techniques are precisely the result of such "literary license", but they make up for a reality inside of the game. It is a reality not even the Miller Brothers can change, regardless of how fictive that reality may be.


CoolWind - Published: June 23, 2002, 13: 03

Hey, Leo'Ri ... Would it matter to you if I send this topic (with your opinion) to RAWA? I would ask him, to answer. It could be interesting.


Leo'Ri - Published: June 23, 2002, 18:29

CoolWind, as you like. But let me illustrate this topic with a true event, and send it also to him.

The probably most popular German author was Karl May, who wrote 75 books and uncounted short stories, all adventure fiction. Many of them were allocated on the Far West of the 19th century. Since the author wrote in "first person", he himself was the hero, and was nicknamed "Old Shatterhand" by the Westerners, becoming the best friend of the Apache chief Winnetou. In a battle, Winnetou was killed, and was buried with all his weapons, including his famous "Silver Gun". A long time after the book with this story was published, Karl May was interviewed by a newspaper, and many photographs were made, from him, his wife, his house and his office, that was profusely decorated with maps of his "voyages", and with tokens and souvenirs of his "adventures". But amongst the souvenirs was also the well-known "Silver Gun", that was supposed to be buried with the Apache chief, quite far away from Germany ... ?!?!?!?
Amongst the readers raised heavy protests. Regardless that they all did know that Karl May actually never was in the USA, and that Winnetou did never exist, and that the "Silver Gun" was made in Germany, never had been in America, and did probably not even shoot. But the story about the emblematic Silver Gun was not consistent any more!!!
In the next book published, it happened that Old Shatterhand made again a trip to the West. There, he also visited the tomb of his great friend, founding it sacked by some prowling Sioux. By sure, he traced them down and recovered the precious weapon. In order to keep it safe, he took it with him to Germany, giving it the best place amongst the other weapons. And the readers were happy, although they all did KNOW it were all fiction.

Now, I speak myself as an author of Sci-Fi and historic novels: The characters of a fiction work actually develop own life, if the plot is good. This is true at least for the main heroes, for the primary characters. There are things they "do", and others they "do not". The same as a big company has an own legal existence, a novel character also becomes existent, it is not possible to deny it once the work was published. It is not possible to deny facts the Reader (or Player) did live. It is not possible to deny what Atrus said. It is not possible to deny what he stated in his Diary or in any other book. Atrus is alive, and he has his own rights.
Of course, this has nothing to do with the "easter eggs", seeing Gehn himself singing … and how good he sings!
Of course, we KNOW it is all fiction, the same we KNOW that there are no Linking Books, nor D'ni, nor anything that makes up for the fiction. But in the fiction, Atrus is real. Catherina is real. There are Linking Books. There are Trap Books. Whatever was written, it's lawful, it's true, it's reality (a fictive reality, but not lesser existent), the facts we did see, read or hear ARE facts, they are already part of an inamovible History.
It's not possible to define it otherwise: Who denies such facts, is at least wrong. If the Trap Books collide with other foreseen "facts", then they could be restricted, e.g., that the Trap Book has to be prepared for a certain person, or for certain conditions. It can be arranged that the trapped one does not float around in the cosmic nothing, but is transferred to an Age with no escape possibility. But it is not possible to negate their basic existence, since this would mean to deny Atrus himself. And this is, simply and plainly, IMPOSSIBLE to do.
And, by the by: In Cyan's website, under "D'ni - F.A.Q.s", in the 11th answer, they are mentioned without shame: "Prison books".

Ufff!
Regards to all.